Quoting: pbSo what's stopping them from disclosure?

Nothing. And plenty do.

Quoting: pbAre thy ashamed of using "a tool"?

Shame has nothing to do with that.
But you can see from the absolutely braindead "outrage" over Swen Vincke's very reasonable stance on AI usage why a developer wouldn't even want to talk about it at all.

Anyway, this is about Steam enforcing disclosure when it comes to generating content that is "consumed" with the product.
And as said already, that only makes sense with parts where that can even be reasonably checked.
You can't check if someone uses Mistral in their IDE to help debugging, as a more efficient "Google" with more context, not at all, or writing half their code with it - the dev can tell you what exactly they do, or not.

Quoting: pbIt's also our right to know if the code was produced using genAI,

There is no such right.
You are hallucinating harder than ChatGPT on its worst day.

Quoting: pbWe have obligatory lists of ingredients on food products, cosmetics, detergents - not only because of allergens, but simply because we (the consumers) have the right to know what kinds of shit went in there, before we buy.

Apples and oranges.
You have a right to know what is in the product.
You have no right to know what brand of tool was used to harvest it, nor could that be reasonably checked.

Quoting: pbI'm not necessarily saying it should be obligatory to disclose the full toolbox used to make a game, but it would certainly be well received and I hope it will become a good practice.

I agree, disclosure would be nice and IMO beneficial to devs.
But there is no right to that, and some will do it while others won't.

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These rules make sense.

The hate against all AI usage without distinction between usage as a tool and usage to replace people is something I just mostly ignore nowadays. As do most people, thankfully.
It is mostly Reddit-level & social media brainrot and can be discarded. Eventually people on those platforms move on to the next thing to hate on, as they always do.

Quoting: KimyrielleIt's so funny how "code" is conveniently absent in that list (or is it "etc."?) I wonder if that is because you can't enforce what you can't prove is in the product, anyway?

Well, yes.
You'd have to enforce open sourcing everything and even THEN you could almost never be certain.
Unenforceable rules are pointless.

Quoting: KimyrielleIn any way, as a person whose code has very likely been used for AI training, I call hypocrisy on it. Apparently, the "poor artists" are entitled to protective measures, while coders aren't.

You are mixing different things here.
Almost nobody got any money for having their "thing" being used for AI training. At least coding-wise there were/are "AI trainers" - it is unclear to me how much of a share those have nowadays, but to my knowledge such a thing does not exist for artists or musicians.
So if anything, coders have it (a little bit) better here.

Quoting: scaineMan, I can't believe we're still defending genAI. As I've pointed out in many other comments, the top reasons I hear for the "negative resentment" are, in no particular order:

Practically all of these are examples of misuse and the current Wild West lawlessness state of the area.
Not arguments against AI use itself.

You are right about the bubble, of course, but that is just the normal hype cycle we've seen with all bigger technologies (just think of the internet & dotcom bubble).
What matters now really doesn't matter as much as what will happen after the bubble pops, which I assume will be a much more regulated and purpose-driven state (again, just like with the dotcom bubble).

Quoting: scaineAnyone offering the "it's just a tool" argument, is being deliberately obtuse.

I'd call it being level-headed and informed - as opposed to panic mongering apocalyptic nonsense and giving in to such.

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Yeah.... I'll believe it when I play it.

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This is the only important part of the corporate blabla:

urthermore, we won't implement generative AI into our products without prior notice.

So the only thing they are saying is that they'll do it anyway, they'll just tell you about it.

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Shame, really.
Large amounts of clown awards were a good way to quickly notice idiotic postings without having to read them entirely.

The idea of "purely showing appreciation" sounds like coddling and participation trophy nonsense to me.
Only positive thoughts allowed, no critique please.
Not really my style.

I had no idea that points got transferred that way, though.
Then again, I assign no value to these points whatsoever as they are so plenty I don't think anyone could even spend them all.

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Nexus is run by posturing fools. But that isn't exactly news, is it?

Thankfully, the app is never really needed as all mods I've ever used can either be applied manually or there are game-specific apps.

The worst part is really the lack of alternatives to the Nexus website itself.
Some mods are only available from there.

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Quoting: simplyseven

Quoting: posthum4nI made a chick crusher 2000 and now I feel bad.

With the bounding box changes do automated cooked chicken contraptions work anymore, I wonder. I'm curious if it didn't IMPROVE the rates actually.

Now wouldn't THAT be something? Make you feel worse while also giving you better results 😇

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"There's a reason we don't see many modern arena shooters - because they're just not really popular now. The industry clearly moved onto other genres a long time ago."

That is really the biggest mystery to me.
This particular genre did not have any big successes in... decades, at this point?

All games that tried to enter had rather small launch peaks and then kind of fizzled to low hundreds (if that much).

Online games without any kind of progression that are pure PvP arenas just don't do well anymore.
And those that bungle their own launches and sit at about 60% or so obviously don't stand much of a chance, relaunch or not.

Sure, it sucks for the devs, and maybe the game is even great now, who knows.
But in a market with way too many games, in a genre that hasn't been popular in a long while, you really only get one shot.

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Quoting: PenguinIt's ironic seeing the majority of votes being in favor of AI usage. Everything tech-related is getting prohibitively expensive because of it. I could sort of understand those that were pro generative AI / LLM before, but now it's nonsense to defend what is leading the tech industry to its doom (at least for the regular users)

It doesn't really matter what one thinks of the impact AI has. It is here and it will stay.
You won't be getting lower prices if you become a luddite trying to fight the direction the wind blows in.

The question is how do you adapt to it:
Not at all and fall by the wayside when it comes to job opportunities, productivity, etc. (at least in the sectors touched by AI, which is like 99% of tech).
Or look at it reasonably, and at least learn to be able to use it efficiently if not outright learning how to develop it.

The doom you are talking about will be similar to the dotcom bubble burst.
Was there an overwhelming hype about the internet and all things online, leading to absurd investments in turn leading to futility and all kinds of other negative effects? Sure.
But when the bubble burst, did the internet go away? Certainly not.

The same is going to happen with AI. Right now we see the bubble grow.
Rather soon (I hope) we'll see it pop.
And then we'll see regular adaptation of AI in ways that are a bit less "clueless managers jumping on bandwagons" and a bit more "ah, yes, this makes sense".

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I ordered another Framework one just a few weeks ago. Is taking its time, unfortunately...

Quoting: NumerfoltUnfortunately they lost quite some people that now thinks that framework is fine with sponsoring fascists :/

Some people are generally not missed after they are "lost".
Those who will call others all kinds of names for having a differing opinion from theirs, even the most lukewarm of differences (such as "maybe don't try to push a political ideology through entirely unrelated software?"), are very high on that list of "won't be missed".

In the end, Framework seems to be doing just fine, so all that is just the usual tempest in a teapot social media brainrot.

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